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Poster: stratocaster Date: Feb 7, 2007 4:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 08-27-1972

thoughts?

personally, I find it to be their finest show on many levels...

this show definitely is worthy of it's reputation and is probably more universally regarded than say 05-08-1977, that could be argued to be over-rated, etc.

The Sunshine Daydream movie just adds to it...

The tapes reveal some interesting tones that day compared with colder tones of other 72 shows (07-16, 07-26, 08-21)...

more organic than Europe 1972 shows...



This post was modified by stratocaster on 2007-02-08 00:25:28

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Poster: dr. flashback Date: Feb 7, 2007 11:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

Not to mention all the fine looking tits on display (it was a hot day) in the DVD version - much better resolution than my old MPEG copy!! Yeah, I have a copy, don't you hate me??

Musically, maybe a tad bit overrated as a show. However, I'll have to say at the risk of blasphemy - that I think it's a stronger show overall than maybe 2 or 3 of the weaker Europe 72 shows. The PLayin and Dark Star are definitely some of the best of the year.

Beyond a certain point folks, this business of which shows were the greatest of all time is like the angels on the pin analogy. Just play the damn show and enjoy it!!! That's an order, ha ha.
Dr. Flashback
PS - John Dwork was a friend of mine back in the 80's. I haven't read his Taper's review - but give him some slack. He's a super nice guy, and he's done a LOT to spread and record Dead shows through the years. He's also insane to party with!!!

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Poster: cush11 Date: Feb 8, 2007 12:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

Q> What is the best show ever???
A> The I one just heard...

Q> What is the best show ever???
A> The one I'm getting ready to play!!!

;) Howdy Dr F! Welcome back!!!

This post was modified by cush212 on 2007-02-08 08:17:27

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Feb 8, 2007 5:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

Absolutely.

1) You can vote on your favorite show, but there is no objective way to pick one, the way you can use statistics to pick the best center fielder (and even then, you leave out the intangibles). You might like this or that style better, or you might like these songs better, or you might like certain passages better--but notice the emphasis is on the pronoun "you." If you have seen "Sunshine Daydream," you get the full vibe of this special day. You can also watch how Jerry does that "Tiger" thing.

You can really only compare this show to those from, say, 1972-73. Otherwise, it's like comparing a Babe Ruth to Barry Bonds. Two entirely different ballplayers from two entirely different eras. The Babe did it on whiskey, not steroids.

But if you took the songlist and compared each song against all other performances of that song, you will find stronger or prettier versions elsewhere in the other 1,000 or so versions. Still, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. And 8-27 is about as good as it gets.

I just think that if there weren't all that extra hype, it wouldn't be as revered as it is.

2) The best shows are often the one's we were at. There is subjective truth to this. Seeing is believing. Watching Jerry as he does his thing makes it three dimensional. There's the audience, the visual element, the story, the dope; all these things. Again: the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Of course, I was lucky enough to have attended the top fifty shows of all time. Just ask me; I'll tell you.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Feb 8, 2007 6:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

J. Dwork has done so much to chronicle the Dead listening experience, however, you will laugh outloud when you read his review of the Veneta performance...

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Poster: countmlbjam Date: Feb 8, 2007 7:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

I like Dwork's reviews and appreciate what he has done in terms of spreading the music. He is overly dramatic with the Veneta review though. I do love the show, but do prefer a fair number of 72' shows over that one, but it is still must have music, like much of 72.

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Poster: high flow Date: Feb 7, 2007 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

1st thought...I don't have.

2nd thought...Here it is!

[outdated gdlive]

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2007-02-07 20:47:01

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Poster: gdave Date: Feb 7, 2007 4:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

High Flow,

I was thinking earlier today of what I might want to send you. I can send you this!

I don't know exactly when that will be, but soon...

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Feb 7, 2007 4:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

high flow you don't have this show????tisk tisk shame on you:)the show that turned me onto the band,like strat said very organic.enjoy

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Poster: high flow Date: Feb 7, 2007 4:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

Among MANY others I do not have...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 7, 2007 5:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

dude - i'm kinda tryin to reorganize myself

what do i owe you right now??????

i have some notes - but they are a bit scattered and i cannot trust them at the moment

im pretty sure i have the 8/27 show somewhere lost in this hurricane zone of an apartment - if i can find it i can burn it for you along with whatever else i owe you

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2007-02-08 01:14:23

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Feb 7, 2007 5:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

No question this is one helluva show, and it's commonly listed among the top 4 or 5 shows on most of the "best of" polls. However...

Like 5/8/77, this is a classic show from a classic era that has been heavily circualted in relatively high quality for many years. The still unreleased "Sunshine Daydream" film documenting the afternoon's proceedings has only added to the show's formidable mythos. While 8/27/72 doesn't benifit (suffer?) from quite as much saturation of the trading community, it's close. I'm not saying it's overrated, but I suspectn these factors have a lot to do with its consistantly high standing.

Personally, I feel it's a top 5 for 1972, but that's about it.

PS- Disclaimer: It's not beyond the realm of possibility that my enjoyment of this show has been temporarily blunted after John Dwork masturbated all over himself in reviewing it for the first volume of the Deadhead's Taping Compendium. Quite possibly the silliest review of anything, anywhere, ever.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Feb 7, 2007 6:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

yeah, Dwork was pretty close to reporting that the Dead were actually levitating on stage...

I just really like this show alot, I don't listen to it very often...but that China Rider, Playin', Bird Song, Greatest Story, Dark Star, El Paso, Sing Me Back Home are pretty much as good as it gets...

the fact that the setting was so unique should be factored in terms of where this show stands...the natural element was key to the performance...it is fortunate that a film does exist...

give it another good listen, 72 is chock loaded with nuggets...I can only think of a few shows from 72 that are even close to this one...05-11, 09-28, 11-19...maybe...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 7, 2007 7:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

Strat, what abouth Bertha?

Have you ever heard Jer play that fast?

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Feb 7, 2007 7:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

yeah Bertha, how about that crazy Mexicali too, both of those fast as hell and a little warble in the tunage from that mean sun...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 7, 2007 7:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

Cliff loves that drippy sound!

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Feb 7, 2007 6:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

I'll bet if it weren't a benefit for the Kesey farm and that it hadn't been filmed, it would not get as high a rating as it does. I'll take half a dozen shows from the latter half of 1972 over this one. The show is quite fine, but the scene was even better.

Try http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-11-19.sbd.winters.17705.sbeok.shnf

Houston Texas comes to mind.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 7, 2007 6:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 08-27-1972

Hofheinz is a supurb Dark Star!

Cliff loves the mini jam before the first verse and the beautiful theme that Phil will eventully lead the band into after his workout! Cool Weatherspace...